Presence Marks Us—Not Programs

What if prayer isn’t a tool to get somewhere—but the destination itself?
In this conversation, Bernie Moore sits down with Michael Koulianos (Jesus Image) to talk about living from the secret place: waiting on the Lord, reading Scripture to find Jesus, and why presence—not platforms—must mark the Church.

We unpack Moses’ cry in Exodus 33 (“If Your Presence doesn’t go with us…”) and the hidden qualifier on Joshua’s life (“He stayed”).
Practical rhythms, biblical patterns, and real stories from fathers in the faith—so you can move from dwelling to abiding and host Him in everyday life.

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